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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.12 04:13:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:GetSirrus wrote:If a combat ship needed two power mods to fit a tank, plus had no remaining slots for any utilities? It would be regarded as a failfit. If as the OP posits that there is a general theme of compromise in Eve, this is not - it is a complete sacrifice. So your justification for not fitting a tank was that the extra cargo & yield was worth the risk of losing a 200mil ship? In that case, you wilfully chose that path. The person fitting the tank decided it wasn't worth the risk & ultimately did better than those who were too greedy to fit a tank.
So then having a choice but needing that choice to be tank in every slot in order to be a deterrent represents a ship with proper fittings? |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:41:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:GetSirrus wrote:If a combat ship needed two power mods to fit a tank, plus had no remaining slots for any utilities? It would be regarded as a failfit. If as the OP posits that there is a general theme of compromise in Eve, this is not - it is a complete sacrifice. So your justification for not fitting a tank was that the extra cargo & yield was worth the risk of losing a 200mil ship? In that case, you wilfully chose that path. The person fitting the tank decided it wasn't worth the risk & ultimately did better than those who were too greedy to fit a tank. So then having a choice but needing that choice to be tank in every slot in order to be a deterrent represents a ship with proper fittings? Wrong. A brick tanked Hulk was unprofitable to gank in every reasonable situation (everything's profitable to gank in enough Civvy gun ibises but that's idiotic). A 1 MLU Hulk was unprofitable to gank in most situations. (And on the bubble in most others, depending on market conditions.) A 2 MLU Hulk could be unprofitable to gank in many situations. All are far less profitable than a 2 MLU, No Tank, Cargo Optimized Hulk with a survey scanner and, as such, were ganked less often because it was invariably more profitable to gank the No tank Hulk next to it.
Ok, to help settle this a bit I think it a good qualifier to ask, what was a good EHP to be considered a deterrent. Preferably in a .5 and .7. I have a feeling we're looking at that threshold quite differently. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.15 21:21:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Kate stark wrote:
no idea, because i just opened the show info window on my mack, and mining barge V is there as a ship requirement.
See, trust Rubyporto's sentences for a second...  Oh hey, I thought Barge was a nested pre-req. Learn something new every day. Still, Exhumers never had T2 resists. The bonus was just changed from being included in the base stats to being applied properly as a bonus.
Are the stats in Evelopedia not the old stats?
Looking at the hulk there shows the following shield resists as well as the 7.5% resist bonus. Feel free to correct me if wrong.
Shield Em Damage Resistance 37.5 %
Shield Explosive Damage Resistance 65 %
Shield Kinetic Damage Resistance 62.5 %
Shield Thermal Damage Resistance 50 % |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.15 21:39:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:RubyPorto wrote:
Still, Exhumers never had T2 resists. The bonus was just changed from being included in the base stats to being applied properly as a bonus.
Are the stats in Evelopedia not the old stats? Looking at the hulk there shows the following shield resists as well as the 7.5% resist bonus. Feel free to correct me if wrong. Shield Em Damage Resistance 37.5 % Shield Explosive Damage Resistance 65 % Shield Kinetic Damage Resistance 62.5 % Shield Thermal Damage Resistance 50 % Except that if you sat in one, the EM resist would remain 37.5%, because the Resist bonus had been folded into the base stats instead of only being applied when piloted.
Interesting. I was unaware of that. |
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